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Tuesday, August 21, 2007

No ! No ! Not the Fundies !

[WA: IF this is indeed true, why would training be given for martial law UNLESS it is anticipated? If it is true, it also demonstrates the increase in power and involvement of the Fundies in government - millions to call upon as enforcers.]

Feds Train Clergy To "Quell Dissent" During Martial Law


Posted by Adam Howard at 12:55 PM on August 17, 2007.

Pastors and other religious representatives could become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government."
Freaky News Report About Clergy Used In US Martial Law

(WA:ignore the box above with "Go" ; I couldn't delete it)

The video (above-top) is a shocking KSLA news report which confirms that so-called "Clergy Response Teams" are being trained to by our federal government to "quell dissent" in the event of a declaration of martial law. Pastors and other religious representatives could become who teach their congregations to "obey the government" and how to participate in property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

[WA:"property...seizures" - law already in place against "traitors" (Bush definitions of them); "vaccination programs" - don't have much info on that yet; "forced relocation" - move citizens to other areas and/or detention (concentration) camps, and don't believe all those camps are for illegal aliens as the government claims. I will post on camps later]

According to Prison

The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often *taken out of context* bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.
Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.
[WA: you want to be controlled by Fundies?]
Though some doubted the accuracy of this report at the time due to its fundamentally disturbing implications, the story has now been confirmed by a KSLA 12 news report, in which participating clergy and officials admit to the existence of the program.

It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.
It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."


Tagged as: federal government, martial law, clergy, civil liberties

Adam Howard is the editor of PEEK.

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WA: So what does Romans 13 say? The following is rather long even though edited but it shows how the clergy twists scrioture in order to deceive the faithful, convincing them that God appoints governments and they should be loyal and dutiful even to corrupt and evil governments; they are doing the will of God to obey and collaborate with a despotic government.

Romans 13 (New International Version)

Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

[WA: This is the scripture that BuchCo and the Fundies use to brainwash the faithful into cooperating and submitting to the government. Even an unlawful or despotic government. Re: ** "taken out of context" : understand the situation that existed when Paul wrote this letter to the Churches.
Imperial Rome had conquered the Jews and occupied their homeland. The Jews did not appreciate this. They were an independent and fractious people, not easy to subjugate. They were prone to demonstrations, riots, insurrections and continuous rebellion against Rome. Each time the Romans arrested and killed off one group of freedom fighters (regarded as insurgents and terrorists by Rome. :-) ) several more sprung up. The Jews were a collossal pain to the Roman authorities and they proceeded to crack down on the populace.

At first the Romans viewed Christians as a sect of Judaism. Later, they separated Christians and Jews in their views and at some point began to actively persecute Christians. This did not mean that they became fond of the Jews, however. The Jews were adept at annoying the Roman government. Jews and Christians were viewed with suspicion and regarded as troublemakers.

The Romans had no love for the Jews or Christians and Paul had good reason to discourage dissent if Christianity was to survive. Roman law and Roman military dealt harshly with seditious individuals and groups.

Paul's letters to the Churches were written a few years after 54 A.D. and taught them how to follow the Christ, how to live properly and to encourage the fledgling churchs' congregants. Considering the burden of persecution, suspicion and harsh punishment under which they labored, this letter of Paul's appears to be advising them to be quiet, lie low, obey the law and authorities, don't make waves. Be good little boys and girls or the Romans will destroy you - and the budding religion with you. In addition, Paul had to be very circumspect in his letters. He had to avoid even a whiff of sedition in case his letters were reported or fell into the hands of Roman authorities. It was a wise protection for himself and the churches to advocate obedience to the law. Otherwise the early churches could be utterly crushed.
Also Paul taught that vengeance and retribution was God's province, so don't do evil for evil (don't rebel), let God sort 'em out and zap them. Do everything the Romans want you to do, and survive! The Christians of that era believed that Jesus would return very soon as a conquering king, establish his kingdom and they would therefore be rid of the Roman rule.

I question the translation of Paul's use of the word "god" in his letters. The Roman emperor was also declared a god; was Paul exercising satire here in addition to being very circumspect?

The Government and BushCo choose to use this letter of Paul's as applicable to modern times., to encourage passive acceptance of a restrictive government and to make them believe they will be doing God's work against the evil of dissent by acting on the government's behalf.

I think the next lines in Paul's letter belies this belief, that it was written for that era ONLY.
Paul expresses his conviction that "our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed". He concluded that Jesus' return was imminent. "The night (dark times of Roman rule) is nearly over; the day (return of Jesus) is almost here." This minister conveniently interprets the "night" to mean Paul's era and the "day" to mean today's time. ("Paul speaks of the present age as ‘night’ and the future age of restoration as ‘day.’") Since the early Christians believed Jesus would return during their lifetime, how could "day" have mean 2000 years in
the future?

Scripture continued:
11And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.
WA: How do the Fundies justify applying this to today's time? What do they teach the faithful? You aren't going to like it. Read on.

Excerpted from
Christian Obligations

This passage in Romans 13 is of vital importance to the readers of the 20th century as well. In many countries of the world, it is expected that the individual citizen will make every effort to cheat the government out of its taxes. On April 15th in our country, there is much the same mentality. Such cannot, or at least should not, be the case of the Christian.

In America today, there seems to be the mentality that the only kind of government of which our Lord can approve is a democracy. In a day when new countries are established by revolution almost daily, we Christians must have our heads on straight to deal biblically with these situations.

This chapter has much to say to us by way of implication. Just one of the issues which Paul deals with by way of inference is that of capital punishment. Let us look to the Scriptures for a Word from God on these vital issues.

[WA: laying the groundwork to accept government execution of dissenters ("traitors") and for the Fundies to execute "sinners" (homosexuals, adulterers, non-virgin single women, rebellious sons, etc..).

(1) The Precept (v. la). Paul’s instruction is very direct and uncomplicated: “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities” (Romans 13:1a).99 By this it is clear that Christians are to be in subjection to their government, national or local.

(2) The Premise (v. 1b). The reason why such a command can be given is found in the second part of verse 1: “For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God” (Romans 13:1b). God is the source of all authority. The government authorities, then, exist by the authority granted them by the supreme authority, God Himself.

Now I want you to observe this verse closely, for it reveals to us what the basis is on which a government should be acknowledged and obeyed. It is not by virtue of its characteristics, whether it be democratic, autocratic or whatever. A government is not legitimate and duly constituted because its form precisely meets our preferences. A government is to be acknowledged and obeyed by virtue of its existence. “… those (governments) which exist are established by God.” This means that the government of Red China is ordained by God. It means that the government in Russia is established by the authority vested to it by God. This even means that the Nazi regime in Germany was there by the will (decretive) of God

[WA: Here, laying the groundwork for acceptance of a tyrannical, despotic, fascist government. It's "God's will".God ordained it. Bush says God ordained him to do the things he does and "God talks to me".]

I want it to be very clear that there are no loopholes in this first verse. Every soul is to be in subjection to human government; any and every government, by virtue of its existence is, de facto, the government to which we must submit

[WA: Laying it on thick. The anticipate a tyrannical government and brainwash the faithful to submit because it's God's will.]

(3) The Principle Involved (v. 2). The principle of Paul’s argument is apparent: “Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves” (Romans 13:2). For a Christian (or any other person) to resist government is to resist the One from Whom authority has been granted. If God has ordained the existence of a government and we disobey it, we resist not only government, but God. For this we will suffer judgment.

[WA: Laying the groundwork for Christians to view dissidents as evil-doers. Dissenters will be judged and condemned by the government, but he interprets it to mean by God]

(4) The Purpose of Government (vv. 3-4). The reason for our obedience to government is not arbitrary, but is found in God’s purpose for government.

For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil (Romans 13:3-4).

[WA: " bear the sword" = execute.]

There is no reason for the Christian to fear government for its purpose is to punish evil-doers and to reward those who do good. Since the Christian is to practice what is good and avoid evil, there should be no conflict between the Christian and government.

[WA: So submit to tyranny, you sheep! It's God's will!]

In verses 3 and 4 there are several inferences which are important to the Christian.

(1) There is a separation of function implied between the church and state. The government official is described as a minister of God, but only in the sense that he serves the purpose of God by restraining evil and rewarding good. The Christian is also a minister of God; not a minister of wrath (judgment), but of mercy (the gospel). Each has its legitimate sphere of activity. In fact, when the minister of government does his job well, it facilitates the minister of the gospel (cf. 1 Timothy 2:1-3).

(2) We learn that fear of punishment is a deterrent to evil. “Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good …” (Romans 13:3b). Some are saying today that the fear of punishment has no effect on whether or not someone will commit a crime. Paul says that fear of punishment is a deterrent.

(3) We can see a somewhat subtle argument in support of capital punishment. “… for it does not bear the sword for nothing …” (Romans 13:4c). The bearing of a sword by civil magistrates symbolized their authority and, as well, their right to exercise the penalty of death.101, 102, 103 It seems likely that such is the sense implied here.

In Genesis chapter 9, God instituted the death penalty (verse 6). Some would argue that capital punishment, though practiced in the Old Testament economy, surely can find no place in our age. But the words of our Lord Jesus Himself vindicate this responsibility of government:

Pilate therefore said to Him, “You do not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?” Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.” (John 19:10-11).

When our Lord stood before Pilate He expressly stated that the power of death was within the authority of civil government. Indeed, this authority was granted ‘from above.’

[WA: Pontius Pilate's authority was given to him "from above" by his superiors, the Roman government, but this is twisted to mean by God.]

The real issue behind the matter of capital punishment is the character of God. Those who reject the possibility of civil government taking the life of a human being try to convince us either “that the God of the Old Testament is not the same as in the New Testament, or that God has somehow changed. But God is unchanging and He hates sin. His holiness demands a payment for sin, and in this life human government has been charged with the responsibility of avenging evil (v. 4).

(1) Motivation for Obedience (v. 5). In verse 5, we are given two reasons for civil obedience. The first has already been explained; it is the motivation of fear of punishment. This is the primary motivation of the unbeliever. We would see a great change in public morality if the legal penalty for sin were removed. Indeed, this is precisely what is occurring in our time.

[WA: laying the groundwork for establishing "legal penalties for sin" to motivate the unbelievers not to sin. All you potential sinners toe the line according to the Fundies' moral standards.]


Even when fear of punishment is no factor, I do not desire to grieve my heavenly Father by civil disobedience. [WA: Do you hear that, Sheeple? Civil disobedience grieves God! Dissent hurts God's feelings.]


(2) The Bottom Line—Pay Up (vv. 6-7). It seems to me that the bottom line of much of Scripture seems to find its way to our wallets.

[Especially as interpreted by many ministers - give, give, donate, tithe, "send me...."]

In verses 6 and 7, the apostle inform us that we are not only obliged to obey, but to pay governing authorities: “For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor” (Romans 13:6-7). [WA:In other words, obey the law - and don't let the Romans condemn you. Survive this dark time.]

Just as a minister of the gospel is worthy of his hire (cf. 1 Corinthians 9), so a minister of God in civil government is deserving of financial remuneration. Government officials are devoted to the maintenance of justice and peace [WA: stop laughing! This guy is serious!], so they must be financially supported. This support is derived from taxes, both indirect (tax) and direct (custom).

[WA: So don't gripe about any grevious taxes a fascist government may crush you with. God ordains it. It is our duty under God to support those who insure "justice and peace". Right!]

Beyond the mere payment of taxes and external obedience, there is the need for a submissive spirit expressed by the giving of respect and honor to civic officials. We should render both respect and honor to civic officials by virtue of their position. [WA: No matter what kind of evil slimeballs they are; their position demands respect and honor?]

(3) A Lesson in Submission. There is here, I believe, a lesson to be learned about submission as it is required of children to their parents and wives for their husbands. This submission is one based upon position and not on personal writ. This submission is not primarily motivated by the one to whom we submit, but is an act of obedience and submission to our Lord Himself.

[WA: He just HAD to throw in that submissive wife bit. Man is the authority in the home! God wants wives to submit even to the most abusive, lazy, drunken, irresponsible spend thrift husband. The Fundies demand it. They know that some men are unfit to be husbands so to counter women's and decent men's objections, they decree that submission is ordained by God. Yes, well, God also said for "men to love their wives as Christ loves the Church" but they don't obssess on that.]

In the light of our Lord’s return, we have two pressing responsibilities:

(1) To submit to civil government. This responsibility can be summarized in three words: (a) Obey—keep the Law. (b) Pay—your taxes. (c) Pray—for those in authority (I Timothy 2:1-3).

(2) We are to love our ‘neighbor,’ and by doing this fulfill the requirements of the Law (cf. Romans 8:4).


It is apparent that Paul has written during a time when government was fulfilling its responsibility of restraining evil and rewarding righteousness. [WA: Does he know anything about the history of the Roman Empire and it's treatment of the subjugated peoples? Was the Roman government "restraining evil and rewarding righteousness"? Some of the Caesars were evil personified.] But what of the times when this is not the case? In view of the general nature of Paul’s exhortation, we will ask and answer several critical questions.

(1). Are there times when a Christian should disobey government?

Yes, if the government commands a Christian to do what is clearly contrary to God’s Word. When one disobeys, he must nevertheless submit to the punishment which government prescribes for this disobedience. Since government has the delegated authority of God, government’s authority is subordinate to God’s orders if they differ. [WA: But you can bet your bippy that the Fundies will teach the faithful that everything BushCo's government does is God's will.]

(2) Should a government become corrupt and cease to fulfill its proper functions (i.e., to restrain evil and encourage good works), should the Christian engage in revolution to attempt its overthrow?

Instances can be found in the Old Testament in which the Lord instructs an individual to rebel against the existing government and overthrow it. ... To use these instances as arguments for rebellion today we would need to be consistent and require a direct revelation from God to do so. [WA: So if any dissenters want to rebel, they must await a revelation from God. Is God supposed to "talk" to them like He "talks" to Bush?]

We must also remember that God uses evil governments, as well as good ones, for His purposes (cf. Habakkuk 1:6-11, Exodus 7:1-7, Amos 6:14). Romans 13:1 seems to say that any government which exists is, by virtue of its existence, ordained of God. To resist any existing government, by attempting to overthrow it (if the above assumption is true), is to resist God (Romans 13:2). [WA: here he actually waffles regarding his previous assertions that all governments are ordained by God and resistance to them is resisting God.]

God has no difficulty in performing His will apart from our assistance......[WA: I would not think that a Supreme Being would need man's assistance! So why do you Fundies collaborate with Bush, the Neocons and Zionists to bring about the conditions on earth that you CLAIM will "help" Jesus return to earth?]
It is God’s desire that we live a “tranquil and quiet life” (1 Timothy 2:2, 3). Revolution does not lead to tranquillity.

(4) What should a Christian do when the government to which he is to be subject persecutes Christians unjustly?

The entire Book of 1 Peter is written with this very issue in mind..... Peter’s example is that of servants, who are to be in subjection to their masters, even the cruel ones (2:18). It is only when suffering unjustly that it is pleasing to God (v. 20) [WA: will someone better versed in theology please explain why it pleases God when His children suffer unjustly?]....The thrust of chapters 2, 3, and 4 of Peter’s first epistle is that we are to suffer patiently when persecuted unjustly....[WA: Just endure like addlebrained sheep? Never protest against a "God orrdained" corrupt government?]

(3) Is it wrong for a Christian to be in politics?

In the Old Testament many men such as Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah (not to mention the kings) were involved in the politics of their day. ... In the Old Testament theocracy, government and religion (church and state) were not separated as in the New Testament. The issue is one of priorities and personal convictions ultimately, as well as the individual leading of the Lord. [WA: the Fundies are determined to end the separation of Church and State, to establish a theocracy. Any Fundie, present or future, will roll his eyes heavenward and piously declare, "The Lord led me into politics!" Like our infamous DeLay?]


The Future Was Yesterday said...
GMTA, it appears. I just posted about nearly the same thing, but will go pull it back down, link to this, then put it back up.
Monday, August 27, 2007 1:32:00 AM
betmo said...
yeah- linked too. i have nothing to say but sigh.
Monday, August 27, 2007 8:19:00 AM
Ingrid said...
If I see Alex (from Prison Planet, he lives in my neighbourhood), I'll ask him some more specifics. And TUA's noted post on for instance the 'Left Behind' video is disturbing. It blows your mind away that's for sure.Machiavelli would put his stamp on approval on this one and that's is not a compliment.Ingrid
Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:55:00 AM


Ladies: The Stork Retired

When a group of mothers get together kaffeeklatching, often the subject arises of giving birth and each relates their personal stories. This English lady's tale would blow them away!

Comment: WA: I don't even want to think about it!

clipped from:

As a seasoned mother of two, Amanda Ellerton wasn't going to make a big deal about delivery number three. But in the end she didn't really have a choice.

After a six-hour struggle and with the help of four midwives, her son Shaune made his entry into the world weighing an astonishing 14lb 7oz, almost twice the birth weight of the average baby.

Shaune next to average newborn:

Shaune weighs twice as much as an average newborn

The Future Was Yesterday said...

You know, I always have been grateful I wasn't a Woman for that very reason!! Makin' 'Em beats having them any day!

Friday, August 24, 2007 12:52:00 AM

Worried American said...

You'd better believe it! I gave birth to 5 and Husband(s) Dear(s) never suffered a single cramp, unless it was wrist cramps from passing out cigars and tilting a celebratory cup. I always thought that men had the better deal when it came to procreation.

Friday, August 24, 2007 2:21:00 AM

Gadfly said...

Goodgottamighty!!! When I was in hard labor with every one of my average sized babies, I had some very naughty things to say to my husband. Never mind that it took two to tango to make those babies. In my frame of mind at the moment it was all his fault. Ofcourse afterwards in all the loveydovey bonding with the babies, all was sweetness and light again. But if I'd had to deliver a baby huey like that, I would have stuck to my guns in telling him forevermore to keep his britches zipped! (Except I used a little more graphic language than that but Old Woman won't let me use that kind of talk on this blog).

Old Woman, I see the time on your comment. What in hell have your docs been telling you about pulling your insomniac all-nighters? You're too damned old to make do with so little sleep. You want to have another stroke?

Friday, August 24, 2007 7:20:00 AM
betmo said...
reason number 5,789 not to have kids! talk about overcooked- lord!
Friday, August 24, 2007 8:20:00 AM



A break from politics to reflect on beauty and the wonderful diversity of life in this world.

The Future Was Yesterday said...

Thank You!! I think we all need these reminders from time to time.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 3:54:00 AM

WA: Sometimes we need to "stop and smell the roses." It is tragic that so much of the diverse life on our planet is rapidly disappearing. We need to take time to see and remember it while we can and try our best to preserve it for posterity. (Aren't they lovely?)
Daniel said...

Old Chinese Proverb say: Person who smell roses might end up with angry bee in nostril!

Beee good now and keep your chins up!


Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:30:00 AM

WA: Now, now, Daniel..... :-) Old Texas proverb say: "Y'all better check them flowers fer bees before sticking' your nose in 'em." Hope you are weathering the weather OK down under.
Incidentally, Fellow Texans, FYI: Australia has a town named "Texas". I found it on an Australian map when searching to see if the terrible wildfires were near our friend, Daniel. Check it out:,_Queensland
Native Texan said...

What are these adorable babies? They are just too cute!

Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:53:00 AM

Worried American said...

Hi, Native Texan, glad you finally decided to visit me over here. Come back again and dip your toes in the political waters. It's like diving into a sewer but somebody's gotta do it; if we Americans don't, who will stand up for us?

Those adorable babies are Golden Lion Tamarins, also known as Golden Lion Marmosets. Lots of sites about them on search.I'm going to post on them on Old Woman. These tiny simians are on the Endangered Species list.

I like what you're doing to your blog. I see you decided on Yellow Rose instead of Cactus Flower. Both were pretty.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:51:00 PM

WA: P.S. If you want to use the map I have on Mesoamerica, I'll send you the url.
Dem Soldier said...

Yep, we do need these reminders...

Very cute.

Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:44:00 PM

Hello, Dem Soldier; Hope the summer was good for you. Back to the edu grind?


Monday, August 20, 2007

Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.

[WA: I have beaten this drum many times and it is both frightening and vindicating to hear the beat from this source.]

America's biggest threat comes from within

August 19, 2007

Paul Craig Roberts is a Republican who served as undersecretary of the treasury under Ronald Reagan and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal's editorial page, so he's no kook or Commie. He warns, "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the United States could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."


Sunday, August 19, 2007

Wary but not yet alarmed

Hurricane Rita at peak intensity.

A Partial List of Hurricanes I've Known but not loved. Now another baddie churning around out there.

Experienced Gulf Coasters are not blase about hurricanes but usually don't get too excited about them either, somewhat like many Californians are about their earthquakes , Midwesterners are about their tornadoes or our northern neighbors about their nor'easters. . One thing about hurricanes as opposed to other natural phenomena, you have advance warning and if it looks like a baddie, you can run like a turkey.

When Rita came in shortly after the Katrina tragedy, my youngest fled all the way to Oklahoma. She took a lot of ribbing but didn't care. Hurricanes are bad enough but they often spawn tornadoes and those events are the bane of her existence. She was unaware of Oklahoma's track record for tornadoes.

And now Dean is on its way:
TOP STORIES - Sun. Aug. 19, 2007
All eyes watching Dean's path — Hurricane Dean streaked toward Jamaica on Saturday, and President Bush issued a disaster declaration for Texas days ahead of its final landfall, most recently projected for northern Mexico. READ STORY
[Present prediction for Gulf Coast landfall is Thursday morning.]
Houston and environs still harbor a large number of Katrina refugees who have no homes to which to return. Naturally, many of them are antsy about Dean moving toward the Coast. Most natives here are wary but not alarmed. It isn't time yet to batten down the hatches or prepare to flee. Wise heads keep gas tanks topped off and begin to stock emergency supplies just in case. My apartment is all-electric so I'm buying foods that do not have to be cooked (unpalatable cold but edible) and stocking up on bottled water, batteries and lamp oil.

Major storms knock out the electric service and sometimes it is days or even a week or better before all electricity is restored. We have emergency generators here for this facility for the elderly and handicapped but the Housing Authority's maintenance men may have difficulty getting here because of flooding about the city. (Houston, built on a marshy flood plain prairie, floods every time the weather angel spits and especially during major storms). My 7th floor apartment isn't in danger of flooding but there is no guarantee about tornadoes. The three southeast facing windows are at risk for damage to high winds but otherwise this sturdy old building that has survived many storms should weather another one. Unless my children descend on me like the hordes of Attilla the Hun and haul me away, I plan to ride it out, UNLESS Dean aims for Houston. This building is sturdy but the roof is old and I'm on the top floor. I have no wish to have it coming off and debris around my ears. I will then evacuate.
Worried and Friend

I grew up hearing my elders talk about the great hurricane that struck Galveston in 1900.
Galveston hurricane, Sept. 8, 1900 -- More than 6,000 people perished in the nation's deadliest hurricane disaster, and more than half of the island's homes and buildings were destroyed. As part of its rebuilding efforts, the city built a 17-foot seawall to protect against future storms. [ The city residents also hauled in tons of sand and soil and actually raised their city 8 feet.]
Another major storm the elders talked about was the one that struck our city (Corpus Christi, my home town) in "19 and 19".
· Florida/Corpus Christi hurricane, September 1919 -- The fourth most intense and deadly storm of the 20th century(to that date) passed near Key West, Fla., on Sept. 9-10. Ten vessels were lost at sea, resulting in more than 500 deaths. On Sept. 14, the storm struck south of Corpus Christi, killing another 287 and destroying North Beach. [A Catholic Hospital was situated there and the blessed, heroic nuns who remained with patients too ill to be evacuated perished with the patients].
The first time I was frightened by a hurricane was in 1945. The winds were so strong that our rural home actually appeared to be breathing - the walls were moving in and out as they were struck by the mighty gusts. My father braved the force of the storm by going out and bracing the walls with timbers. After the storm passed, children floated in the floodwaters in "boats" of #3 washtubs.The fifth hurricane of 1945 made landfall near Port Aransas in central Texas (about 20 miles from Corpus Christi) as a 140 mph Category 4 hurricane. Towns from Freeport to Brownsville were subjected to hurricane force winds, causing around $20 million (1945 US dollars) in damages, and three deaths.
My second son was born September 8, 1961 in Houston, my home then (and ever since). New mothers usually spent about a week in hospital at that time but I was so disgusted with my worthless Obstetrician that I demanded to go home the morning of the third day., on September 11th. The storm, Carla, made landfall between Port O'Connor and Port Lavaca, about 107 miles s/sw from Galveston. Houston is about 50 miles inland from Galveston. Galveston received a 24 ft. storm surge and was struck by 175 mph gusts. The eye of the storm passed over Victoria, about 125 miles from Houston, but the storm was so huge that Houston received a terrible blow. I came home with my new baby in the midst of a storm.

Hurricane Carla, Sept. 10, 1961 -- By Sept. 9, Carla's circulation covered the entire Gulf of Mexico. As the mammoth storm neared the Texas shore on Sept. 10, 150-mph winds were recorded near its center. Hurricane Carla had a diameter of hurricane-force winds of 300 miles, and diameter of tropical storm (gale) force winds of 500 miles.Damage eventually was tagged at about $2 billion, in inflation-adjusted 1990 dollars. But only 46 people died, in large part because of the evacuation of about 250,000 residents from coastal Texas.
Hurricane Camille, Aug. 17-19, 1969 -- One of only two Category 5 hurricanes to strike the U.S. mainland in the 20th century (at that time), Camille was the fifth-costliest storm on record. Its death toll is listed at 256 and includes deaths on the Gulf Coast and in the Virginias, where more than 100 people perished in flooding.
Alicia was small but powerful and very damaging. Our home was badly damaged and the roof almost peeled off.
Hurricane Alicia
, Aug. 18, 1983 -- This smallish hurricane -- the last major hurricane to strike the Houston/Galveston area -- killed 21 and caused damages totaling more than $2.4 billion, in inflation-adjusted 1990 dollars. [ Houston is a very green city with thousands of trees; Limbs and wind- downed trees would have filled a football field 1,200 feet deep.]
Tropical Storm Allison, in 2001 was the costliest in Houston's history. It dumped 37" to 40" of rain in 5 days and created the worst floods Houston has ever experienced - and we've had some whoppers. Six hospitals were flooded and nearly 3,000 patients evacuated. Some freeways were under water and on some, flooded tractor trailer trucks displayed only their trailer roofs. 30,000 residents were made homeless, their homes destroyed, and 70,000 others had extensive damage.
After suffering a stroke, I was discharged from the hospital on the day Houston was evacuating for Hurricane Rita. The tragedy of New Orleans and the destruction by Katrina made believers of a large percentage of the Gulf Coasters and many had to route through Houston, compounding the worst traffic gridlock in Texas history. My daughters refused to leave without me and drove their husbands nuts with their wailing , but the traffic jams were so heavy they were unable to enter the city to reach the hospital. I declined the hospital's offer of shelter but the taxi took 4 hours to pick me up. Houston dodged the bullet when Rita swung away and gave other folks hell. I spent the week in peace and quiet, after frantic relatives finally tracked Jeannie and her cats down in Oklahoma where she had taken refuge.

The Gulf Coast has taken many more hits than these from Tropical Storms and Hurricanes; these are merely the ones that impressed me the most. Soon we shall see what Dean has to offer. You inlanders, don't feel left out. Some of these Gulf Coast bad boys not only travel on to ravage the southern states, some continue to the northern states. Allison went on to harrass the mid-Atlantic states, Pennsylvania and the New England regions. Storms on the Atlantic seaboard also travel inland across many states. 'Tis the season, folks.


The Future Was Yesterday said...

Well, I'm from Michigan originally, I live in a gulf coast state, and I married a Californian, so I pretty well have the bases covered.:)

If I had to pick one event, hurricane, earthquake, or tornado that I had to be "in", it would be a hurricane. An earthquake, there's no warning at all. The world just collapses. Tornado' might get 3-5 minutes warning, IF you're lucky.

A hurricane can wreak incredible destruction, but that's physical things that can be replaced. I can't be.:) If a 'cane is headed our way, I don't wait to see where's it's gonna hit; I watch where it hits....from far, far away, and I run when it looks like we MIGHT get hit...not when we're gonna be hit for sure.

Monday, August 20, 2007 2:53:00 AM

WA: I agree. I have not experienced a tornado but have seen the after effects and I don't want to have that. I refuse to go anywhere near a volcano. I have experienced a quake (the after shocks - we were in Italy when the shock occurred) and I was firmly convinced that I did not like Terra Jello. I prefer Terra Firma. Upon consideration since posting, I amended my statement to "ride it out". I'll ride a Cat. 2 but not a 4 or 5. Nor even a 3 if it's a direct hit.
Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

I’ve been praying that Hurricane Dean would blow itself out. However, about half an hour ago I received a “CNN Breaking News” email stating:

“Hurricane Dean picked up strength early Monday, setting its sights on the Cayman Islands and Mexico's Yucatan peninsula after battering the southern coast of Jamaica. The hurricane's top winds of 150 mph (240 kph) made it a strong Category 4 storm, with hurricane-force winds extending 60 miles (100 km) from its center. Dean could become a Category 5 later in the day -- the top of the scale, with winds in excess of 155 mph -- as it moves into the western Caribbean.”

That does not sound encouraging.

Monday, August 20, 2007 4:26:00 AM

Granny said...

I have the net back, at least at the moment.

Thinking about you.

Be safe.

Monday, August 20, 2007 8:45:00 AM

enigma4ever said...

It is 5pm MON. is is still a CAT5 and heading to the Yucaton Penisula...and I hope and pray that it does not hit Texas as a CAT5 , hopefully maybe the penisula will blunt it.....Hope...It was amazing reading about your are so granny also...

be safe and let us know you are okay..

Monday, August 20, 2007 4:29:00 PM

WA: These storms weaken over land but strengthen again over the warm Gulf waters, which Dean is apt to enter after crossing the Yucatan Peninsula. Meteorologists can make an educated guess as to a storm's projected path but they are notorious for changing directions; some have done loop-the-loops, crossed land and doubled back to hit another area. Although weakened after entering a land mass, many of them continue their swath of destruction far into the American continent, bringing floods and spawning tornadoes. Our inland neighbors should track the beast for your own welfare. We Gulf Coasters are watching Dean closely. The suffering of humanity is greater (as a rule) when one strikes the Mexican coasts. Many residents there have substandard homes that are readily destroyed and many are too poor to flee. News reports and photos of past hits to Mexico have been heartbreaking.
Hurricanes are a necessary part of our planet's life cycle and it is up to humans to take precautions and get out of their way. Property damage is unavoidable but loss of life need not be so. Because the storms are necessary to the planet's continued good health, I am alarmed at the stupidly idiotic of plans to alter the weather. See
Thank you all for your interest and comments.


Saturday, August 18, 2007

Hate Groups are Alive and Well on Planet Earth (and USA

Granny and I have posted a number of times on hate crimes, hate groups and anti-hate crime bills. In these stressful times, hate groups are growing in number and in membership. Recruiters often target young people so it is important to teach children not to hate other people. Some hate groups require recruits to commit an act of violence against targeted victims or even to kill them.

Trial testimony in the infamous James Byrd dragging murder stated that the crime was to gain respect for a new hate group being formed and that murdering a black man was an initiation rite for an alleged recruit. The Matthew Shepard torture-murder was a gay hate crime committed by individuals, not a group although some hate groups target gays. The KKK advocates killing gays and certain minorities.

Although I am tolerant of most differences in our society, I am an opinionated old woman and strongly intolerant of other differences. One of my Anti- opinions is directed at hate groups and those persons who harbor racial, religious or gender bias, prejudice and hatred and who manifest their hatreds via attacks. They are entitled to their opinions but not to act on them. (Hmm. Does that mean I am anti-me because I attack Fundies in print? Or, are my articles attacks or exposes?)

The Southern Poverty Law Center reports that hate groups have increased 40% since 2000. Various hate groups actively proselytize to gain new recruits; they especially target young people who are less experienced in life and more easily victimized by rhetoric and brain washing.

Most USA hate groups' beliefs are based on a core conviction of white (Caucasoid) superiority/supremacy. (Most do not consider Hispanics "white" although I was acquainted with one group whose leader was an American Indian. Go figure). Many consider people of non-Christian religions as enemies but some include Catholics. They hate Jews and all minorities, especially people with darker skins. They consider whites who couple with minorities as "race traitors" and target them and any offspring ("abominations") for attack. Most regard Hitler as a hero and embrace Nazi philosophy. Their illegal activities include vicious beatings, abductions with violence, murders, destruction of property, intimidation, terror tactics, and disruptive marches. Some operate under a religious theme, pray in Jesus' name, and believe they are doing God's work by protecting the white race. Since Jesus was a Jew, they excuse their persecution of Jews by labeling them "Christ-killers". They believe certain groups should be targeted for death (see continuing post below this one).

There are Black hate groups and Christian hate groups (beside the notorious and vile Fred Phelps gang - photos at bottom of that page) as well as a number of others. I think that some are not prejudiced - they just hate everybody. Not all hate groups advocate violence.


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These haters attacked a teen because he had dark skin. He was an American citizen of Panamanian Indian descent. In July I posted on a particularly vicious attack of a teen aged Hispanic-American at Teen Hate Crime Victim Commits Suicide . Included in that post is a photo of 2 of my great-grandchildren whose mother is Hispanic-American and their father is my grandson. Granny posts photos of her biracial great- grand children on her personal blog. I also have a biracial great-grandson and a 2nd cousin who is biracial. Granny has a gay son and one of my 2nd cousins is a lesbian. Each of these family members risk being targets of the haters.

As far as color is concerned, due to our Cherokee Indian ancestors, many members of my extended family bear considerable melanin in our skins and with prolonged exposure to the sun, we tan very darkly. In my younger years when I engaged in a lot of outdoor activities, I tanned as dark as any Indian ever hoped to be and was often mistaken for a Hispanic. In Italy I was mistaken for a dark Italian and in an Arab country I was mistaken for an Arab woman. Skin color is no indicator of race in our melting pot society, but some haters would target us because we are part Cherokee (members of a dark skinned race).

To check on hate groups in your state, click on the red hate map in the left sidebar above. Below the map is a list of different kinds of hate groups. Click on one for a brief description of their ideology and a list of their names.
ThomasLB said...

I think there are some people who enjoy the adrenaline rush of being angry. Righteous indignation gives them a rush. They get high on hate.

Just like with any other drug, getting that high becomes a compulsion. If Fred Phelps woke up tomorrow in a world with no homosexuals, I guarantee he'd find something new to rage against.

One of the downsides to the internet is that it makes it easier for these damaged people to find each other.

Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:50:00 AM

Worried American said...

Fred also rages against our government in general (not just BushCo), the military, Sweden, and a number of other things. He's a hater and hates everyone, I think, including himself most of all - which self hate he cannot bear so directs it outward onto others.

Saturday, August 18, 2007 7:47:00 AM

The Future Was Yesterday said...

Psychologically, the "mob mentality" enters minds when a group exists, where the individual may well not do the things they do, if by themselves. I question the formation of "hate crime" laws sometimes, not because we don't need them, but because to me, they seem to sometimes pass "blame" off to racism or some other social malady, instead of all crimes being viewed as equally repugnant. It's my personal opinion, although I can't point to anything to support this, that the publication of "hate crimes" encourages those so disposed or inclined, to "copy cat." A crime is a crime is a crime. It seems by creating another sub category, we've somehow isolated those crimes from others, and I'm not sure that's good.

Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:25:00 AM

WA: You make some interesting points, FWY. In the James Byrd dragging-murder, the dork who was trying to start a new Hate Group was looking for "respect" from future recruits, members, associates or the public (as a really bad-a$$ group?) and allegedly stated that the attention garnered by the crime "would make history" and that they would be "heroes". I find that type of mind set to be incomprehensible. It is heroic and historical and an example of toughness to drag to death a drunken, handicapped, helpless man pitted against 3 big, strong, muscular men? I have a very different opinion! It is tragic and disgusting that in prison and to other hate groups these men ARE regarded as heroes and it DOES encourage others of like mindness. Look at the photo of one of the men who beat and kicked a little teenager with steel toed boots because the boy had dark skin; he is a handsome, well built man and yet his mind is twisted and perverted. Heroes? Vile, yellow bellied cowardly bullies to me.
LET'S TALK said...

It breaks my heart when I see or hear how we can treat each other on this earth. We all only have a short time here and we all should learn to share, help and love one another.

Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:30:00 AM

Jesus was a great teacher and tried to lead people to be civilized and live together in peace and harmony. He taught, "love one another" and "love your neighbor as you love yourself" and "be kind to one another". Whether or not a person is religious, I believe these lessons are applicable to all.
GDAEman said...

Hi Granny,

Just checking in. Drove from San Antonio to Ft. Worth TX this summer. In one cross-road town there was a Koffee Kup Kafe (KKK). Wasn't an accident. In the last few years, they dropped Kafe.

Hwy 6 And Hwy 281, Hico, TX

Hope you're doing OK.

Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:05:00 PM

Worried, here: Hello, GDAEman, it is good to hear from you again. There are many "red-necks" in that area; not to say that all rednecks are haters. There are some rednecks in my family but none are haters. But it is true that many people in that subculture do belong to hate groups.
Granny has family problems at present and is not posting on our political blog for a time. To visit her, see or email her.

Daniel said...

I hate Hate Groups!

It seems easier for most humans to hate rather than love. Our potential nobility too often never gets sunlight and therefore it doesn't grow.

There are those who, out of self-interest and greed, ensure that such sunlight always remains hidden.


Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:01:00 PM

WA: Greetings, Daniel. You are right. Unfortunately, many adults think that they are not overtly biased against other people but they reveal it in small remarks, voice tones, facial expressions and attitudes. Even more unfortunately, children pick up on these small things very quickly and learn bias and prejudice which can ripen into hate or make them vulnerable to succumb to hateful rhetoric.
Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

I’ve been a member of the Southern Poverty Law Center for more years than I can remember. As they have investigated and reported on hate groups, especially the KKK, I have gotten the feeling that the personal motivation of the members of those groups in to “fit in.” That need seems to be universal among us humans; however, the less self-actualized one is, the greater the need to be part of a group. It’s a bloody shame that for these folks to be part of one group means one must attack another.

Monday, August 20, 2007 4:19:00 AM

WA: I dislike certain INDIVIDUALS because they are dorks, not for their race, creed or gender. For instance, I strongly dislike Fred Phelps and haters in general but I do not believe that I actually HATE anyone and would not visit violence against them. However, some might benefit from a swift kick to the pants. :-)
enigma4ever said...

I will be honest I think Hate Groups like the NAZI and the aryan nation ones etc...I think they are more dangerous and powerful in this country than any terra org that Gonzo has identified...

Monday, August 20, 2007 4:31:00 PM

WA: On an individual basis they certainly are. Most of the time they attack one or a few of the hated group, but have been guilty of destroying churches and businesses also. Some of the milita groups are haters also, and the ones hating/rebelling against our government (sometimes with fair reason) have at least in one instance been guilty of mass murder as in the Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah building. ( )