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Thursday, March 09, 2006

More on South Dakota - from KOS today

South Dakota's new law has spurred one complacent person to take action. As I read the post, I noticed how much she sounds like me.

I've supported Planned Parenthood and NARAL. I've written letters. But I live in a "safe" state so what was going on elsewhere didn't directly affect me. Actually, I'm far past childbearing age so I suppose it doesn't affect me directly anyway. It does affect younger women though. It tells them they are chattel.

She talks about "haven" states if South Dakota's law and the others coming up are not overturned by the courts. We all know that was the objective in passing a law that would surely be overturned by the lower courts. They're counting on a majority on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe completely.

If this happens, I'll make my couch up into a bed and we can start up our own underground railroad. Unless, of course, California fundamentalists succeed as well. So far, we've beaten them back.

I was watching the news tonight (sort of). The report said that 1st trimester teenage abortions had declined in one of the southern states, (Mississippi I think). They went on to say that 2nd trimester abortions by young women 17-1/2 and above had increased substantially. This means that rather than stopping abortion, they were making it more dangerous. These women were delaying abortion until they didn't need parental consent.

This can still be stopped but we need less complacency and more action.


  • At Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:37:00 PM , Blogger caitlin said...

    One of the most interesting unintended consequences of what's going on in SD is that in quite a few of the communities I lurk in, there's been a "how to"s for herbal and non herbal abortions. Some mostly focus on the herbal stuff, but I've seen 3 that tell you where to get the $2 course of antibiotics from a mexican website, and where to buy a set of dilators, and how to use them.

    My generation is lucky in that we've never known life outside of Roe v. Wade. Seeing things like this really starts to bring home how bad it must have been before abortion became legal. The way our country is heading on women's control of their fertility is scary. People don't want women to have abortions, but they want to make it harder to get birth control more effective than a condom.

    They don't really seem to consider not all of us want to be Michelle Duggar, nor can all of us afford to be. It also leaves the childfree women out in the cold. I ran across this poem, Right to Life, that pretty much sums up how I feel. (It's also by the same woman who did the Barbie poem you linked a few days ago.)

    It's also damn near impossible to get a sterilization if you happen to be younger than 35 and don't have 3 children. My doctor advised me not to have any more children, because I'm high risk for uterine rupture if I carry to term. But he won't do a sterilization because I'm 25 and I don't have 3 children. He doesn't like the "a" word, and he informed me he doesn't do "terminations", which is what he recommended if my birth control failed. It doesn't matter that I only planned to have one child and told him as much when I first started seeing him. I am still not old enough to make my own decisions as far as my fertility goes, unless it's to have a child. I've made consults at a few other local doctors, and I ask if my age is going to be a problem before I waste everyone's time. I'm always told no, and when I get there, the doctor just dismisses me because birth control is reversible and I should just stick with that because I may change my mind when I hit 40.

  • At Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:02:00 PM , Blogger Worried said...

    I entered the medical field years before Roe vs. Wade. At that time of my life I was anti-abortion; we were sworn to uphold life. But I changed my mind after seeing the burchery, septicemias, and deaths from "back street" abortions that came to the hospital to be salvaged or sent out to the mortuary. I was very glad when Roe vs. Wade was passed.
    I have also seen the abuse inflicted upon unwanted children, or children of single mothers so stressed and overburdened that they turn in desperation to some creep of a live in boyfriend for help with support, who abuses the child. Or the young parent(s) caught in a hopeless cycle of poverty who turn to drugs or alcohol for respite.

  • At Friday, March 10, 2006 5:49:00 AM , Blogger granny said...

    I spoke with an older family member who was born and raised in South Dakota about this. She said that they were always strange about this stuff and that the place was full of Catholics and Lutherans who were always feuding about their religious differences.

    She told me that the mindset there was that if you got pregnant you had it and you raised it because you were nothing but a dirty whore if you didn't and they would never let you forget it.

    So I asked her about other relatives and she told me they would be fine with the ban and I asked her how so and so would handle it if her favorite granddaughter got herself into trouble.

    The answer is that the grandmother would bring her granddaughter to Montana for an abortion.

  • At Friday, March 10, 2006 4:10:00 PM , Blogger Granny said...

    Caitlins's story as well as the other granny's story prove that we will continue to be treated like not too bright children. And sluts as well, I mustn't forget that.

  • At Friday, March 10, 2006 8:02:00 PM , Blogger caitlin said...

    I was talking about the postings of the howtos for using the dilators with a friend, and it really squicked her out. One of her older coworkers also came to lunch with us and pointed out that even if we have to revert to that, we still have it a lot better than her generation did. I guess I'm so used to being able to order something over the net, that it just never occurred to me that back then you couldn't order a sedative or the necessary course of antibiotics. She told us some real horror stories about what happened to one of her friends because the information wasn't freely available. She did an herbal abortion, and because she didn't know the correct amounts or the interactions, she almost ended up killing herself.

    What's scary to me is that my generation is probably not really aware of all the things that could and did go wrong because a woman couldn't get birth control or a safe and legal abortion. It worries me because most of us that are of voting age won't go out and vote. I don't want Congress telling me that my only "choice" is to abstain or risk having children I can't take care of.

  • At Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:20:00 AM , Blogger Worried said...

    Abortion is a serious medical/surgical procedure and is very dangerous for do-it-yourselfers. As are self-professed abortioners. I would advise travel to another state someway, somehow.


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