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Wednesday, January 23, 2008

OOO! Huckabee; Some Ladies Are Pissed At You!

WA: This is old news but has recently been re-hashed in the mud slinging war that takes place every election.
A group of ladies here at the old people's apartment complex were talking politics in the community room. Several ladies from the Holy Ghost Redeemer Baptist Church endorsed Huckabee because he stood for family values. That failed to elicit much comment until the "submit to husbands" matter arose and the firestorm erupted. There are a few old independent minded rebels in this place and I thought for a bit there was going to be an old fashioned hair-pulling. Even some of the Baptists joined in the rebels' hullaballoo. There are a lot of good Christian black ladies who refuse to consider submitting to their men :-) I didn't join in the acrimonious arguing but observed the affair with great interest. The hair pulling might have taken place except for the intervention of the Manager. Spoil sport!
Can you image the reaction of the police if they were called out on a civil disturbance only to find it was a bunch of old gray haired ladies scratching and pulling hair? Some of them might have even started swinging their purses!
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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/11/huckabee-wives-should-graciously-submit-to-husbands
HUCKABEE: wives should ‘graciously submit’ to husbands.

In June 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention issued a “statement on the family” that asserted, “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.” Two months later, then-governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full-page ad in USA Today specifically endorsing the Convention’s view on marriage:

You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband’s sacrificial leadership.

As Andrew Sullivan notes, “The group did not back away from the ad after a media firestorm. It seems to me that Huckabee should be asked if he still stands by that. And if he thinks it applies to Senator Clinton.”

[WA: ;-)

UPDATE: C&L has more. December 11, 2007 3:08 pm |
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http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=2510

EVANGELICAS' USA Today ad affirms SBC for family stance

Posted on Aug 27, 1998 | by Tom Strode.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A full-page ad in USA Today Aug. 26 voiced the affirmation of 131 evangelicals to the Southern Baptist Convention that "you are right!" in holding forth the Bible's teachings on marriage.
[...] The ad also appeared in the Aug. 22 issue of WORLD, an evangelical magazine based in Asheville, N.C.
The ad was initiated by Dennis Rainey, executive director and co-founder of the FamilyLife ministry division of Campus Crusade for Christ.
Among those signing the USA Today affirmation are [...] Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet;[...].
The ad notes an expanded list of names of evangelicals supportive of the SBC family stance is posted at the Internet site, www.youareright.org.
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The SBC article describes marriage as "the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime." [...] A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ."

[WA: get that ladies? "servant" number? A servant position to your hubby dearest - no matter how much you love (or don't love) him?]

The evangelical leaders' USA Today ad states to the Southern Baptist Convention:
"You are right because you recognized that the family was God's idea, not man's, and that marriage is a covenant between one man and one woman for a lifetime.
"You are right because you called husbands to sacrificially love and lead their wives.
"You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership.

[...]. The author of the article is Chad Brand, assistant professor of Christian studies at North Greenville College, Tigerville, S.C. Copies of the publication may be requested by calling (615) 244-2355.

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WA: "one man and one woman" = that rules out gay marriage; "for a lifetime"=rules out divorce. I was reared in a Baptist Bible thumping home and community and although homosexuality was never mentioned back then, divorce was taboo. For most folks of that persuasion it still is, somewhat like the Catholics. My mother had a wall eyed hissy fit when I divorced my first husband (even though she thought he was awful) and although she finally accepted it, she forbade me to date because I might fall in love and want to marry again!

Her reasoning? The scripture said, "what God hath joined together, let no man put asunder"(no divorce) so re-marriage would mean I would live in adultery (gasp). I not only married again, I married again twice. By some people's standards, that fact alone makes me headed straight for hell on a greased, downhill slide. Think I could get away with pulling a Jimmy Swaggert and tearfully confess, "forgive me, Lord, for I have sinned"?

Nah! the scripture says that one is forgiven only if you are truly repentant (and I ain't) and that God knows one's heart (I'm a goner!)



Nope! Not None of Me! Ofcourse I only got a divorce, danced, and sometimes actually partook of strong spirits, and worst of all - I did not submit to any of my 3 husbands' dubious leadership!

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