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Sunday, February 19, 2006

AEI.org: Naming Names; URL Found

is_america_burning@yahoo.com would like to share with you the following page from the American Enterprise Institute's website.

Message from is_america_burning@yahoo.com:
I found the correct url. At least it worked today. How much worse was Saddam than our torturers? They kill prisoners; do they also chop off extremities?

To view the page in your web browser, visit http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.844/event_detail.asp. To learn more about AEI, visit http://www.aei.org/about/.


It is probable that the US will be hated as rabidly by the Iraqi people as they hated Saddam.
Our welcome there has already turned to hatred among many Iraqis and they want us out of their country. The battle with insurgents will go on for a long time, especially as we arouse more and more enmity amongst the Muslim world.

In the Saddam video, note the bruises on the right side and back of the man being beaten. You will observe similar bruising on the men in the Abu Ghraib photos, located on many parts of their bodies where they have been beaten by Americans.

One of the hand amputations was done by surgeons. Incision was made high enough on the palm to provide a skin flap to cover the stump. The sword amputations afforded no such small mercies.

I have been scolded for posting this and the Abu Ghraib atrocities on the blog, by reason that they were too graphic, too gruesome, too insensitive, etc.. I agree - they are. But Americans need to KNOW what is going on, and most Americans have little knowledge of what tortures are really like. We consider ourselves the "good guys"; we are told the Arabs are the "bad guys" . We need to know that this administration makes us the bad guy, the evil, perverted ones and we are very well earning the disgust, disrespect and enmity of the world --who HAS seen the photos and videos. We do not as yet have access to the videos and only a small fraction of the photos that have been broadcast to much of the world.

So? What are we going to do about it? He's OUR president.

Video of Iraqi torture victims [VERY GRAPHIC; NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN] Note: the video listed in the event materials box (above right) covers the conference proceedings and does not contain the images found in this Pentagon videotape.

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For the last 30 years, Iraqis inside Iraq had little knowledge of the full extent of Saddam Hussein's oppressive tactics. Many Iraqis who have documented his regime's history argue that Coalition authorities have not done enough to make this history known to the Iraqi people, and proponents of more stringent de-Baathification argue that until this education is completed, Saddam-era officials cannot be trusted with the rule of the new state.

Much of the recent controversy surrounding Abu Ghraib has made only vague reference to the prison's nightmarish past. Under Saddam Hussein, some thirty thousand people were executed there, and countless more were tortured and mutilated, returning to Iraqi society as visible evidence of the brutality of Baathist rule instead of being lost to the anonymity of mass graves.

Seven of these victims were Baghdadi merchants whose right hands were amputated and presented to Saddam as proof of their punishment. They have recently received medical attention in the United States, and now have the use of modern prosthetic hands. Four of these victims will speak of their experiences before returning to Iraq. In addition to their presentations, an unedited video documenting acts of torture during Saddam's reign will be shown, and our Iraqi guests will identify persons conducting the torture who hold office in Iraq today.


5 Comments:

  • At Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:26:00 PM , Blogger Gary said...

    This is tough to see, but as you say, it's tougher in the long run to look away. (And you have put up the warnings).

    Some choose to compare to justify as in,"We stacked men up naked and led them on leashes, we didn't blow up a marketplace or behead an innocent person - why be so critical?"

    The problem is that abusing human rights is a slippery slope and the US can't talk about freedom and democracy from one side of its mouth and then say it's okay if we break human rights and other laws, because we're doing it for a good cause ... and not as bad as the other guys.

    How sad that the US and Great Britain haven't taken the high road and fought for nuclear disarmament, an international criminal court, the UN Convention on Torture, the Geneva Conventions etc... The world doesn't need this kind of destructive 'leadership' from the most powerful nation on earth (not for long I fear).

     
  • At Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:07:00 PM , Blogger Granny said...

    The difference of course is that "we" have become "them". I didn't look at the pictures this time. I'd seen some of them and I don't need more convincing.

     
  • At Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:23:00 PM , Blogger Unknown said...

    Gary, I agree, "not for long", and I am greatly afraid for my country, my people. Sooner or later we shall fall and it will be a terrible falling. Our people will pay the price for the decisions and actions of our government. The awful unfairness of it is that the greedy warlords who led us into this will probably be dead and gone by then and a generation of innocents will suffer for their crimes.

     
  • At Monday, February 20, 2006 12:55:00 PM , Blogger JBlue said...

    I want to take that high road Gary mentioned.

     
  • At Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:27:00 AM , Blogger Unknown said...

    I think Gary is right. I can't say it better myself.

    I wonder if some people's parents know what their kids are doing online?

     

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